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A Kerry Debate Prayer Group -- No Kidding!

Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:28:39 PM PDT

UPDATE: Yay! Thanks to everyone who is committing to our prayer/meditation/mojo-fest at 7:45 Central time, Thursday. I will post a reminder in the diaries that day.

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Ok, folks -- most of you are going to think this is a loony idea, but that's ok. I am going to pray for John Kerry prior to the debate Thursday night and I'm looking for some fellow travelers to join me. You know Bush's people are going to be doing it. Let's focus some of that power over this-a-way.

In medical research, intercessary prayer has been shown to be effective in reducing complications. Note that in the study I've cited, people of all faith traditions prayed, and the persons being prayed for did not know about it.

Call it prayer, positive energy, meditation, mojo -- whatever you like. I want to focus some of it on this election.

I'm a Christian, but I'm not looking just for people of my faith tradition. I'm looking for anyone who wants to *do* something this Thursday night and believes there's more to this life than podiums, earpieces and Karl Rove.

Now, I have to be honest. I'm interested in praying *before* the event, because frankly? I may be playing a drinking game during it.

In my faith tradition it says "where two or more are gathered" and it doesn't say it can't be on the internet. So I simply want several of us to commit to 5 minutes of focused "prayer" prior to the debate. Serious prayer, not our usual, "please God, let Bush fall on his ass" or "please God, let Kerry decrease his use of modifying clauses."

If you're interested, e-mail me at asklouise*at*gmail*dot*com or simply reply to this post. The debate starts at 9pm Eastern or -- in my life -- 8pm Central. Commit to praying/meditating/focusing at 7:45pm CST for 5 minutes.

I can't be there to get Kerry ready, or remind him of critical Kossack advice, so I'm going to do what I can. This is not desperation; this is pro-active energy. Anyone with me?

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  •  Here's some Jew mojo (none / 0)

    Coming your way and onto JFK II
  •  If more than a few of you (none / 0)

    like this idea, recommend the diary to keep it in view. Otherwise, I'll be glad to focus and pray with even 2 others.

    And if you want to drink with me during the evening's festivities, I'll join you in that, too. :-)

    •  there will be at least two of us... n/t (none / 0)

      •  That's all we need! Thanks. <NT> (none / 0)

      •  Hi Michael in Chicago (none / 0)

        I remember you from the DFA board (when the D was for Dean) and see you around here from time to time.

        Good idea Opus. I don't think prayer is for "getting" things but rather a way of communicating with God. Nevertheless, I have prayed lately that God will open the eyes of the American people and allow us to make a good decision on this.

        So many lives are at stake. But then there was the Holocaust so I wonder if God even gets involved.

        Anyway, I'll be asking.

        No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.

        by Joan in Seattle on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:42:17 PM PDT

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        •  I agree (none / 0)

          It's not about asking for things, but rather opening up the channel and -- importantly -- listening. And I don't pretend to know what might happen as a result, but I know that the God I know cannot be happy right now. So it seems like a good time to be praying.
    •  Well, I've got my Saint Christopher medal.. (none / 0)

      Even though he's not a real saint now.. Call me superstitious.  Must be a Catholic thing.  Anyone else notice that Kerry has a rather uncommon number of talismans and good luck charms?
      •  Saint Christopher (none / 0)

        What do you mean, Saint Chistopher isn't a real saint anymore? I didn't get the memo. I'm not religious, but having mostly grown up in a Catholic country (France), I do have a superstitious attachment to Saint Christopher, patron saint of travelers.

        In regards to the diary, I can't join you all, but go for it! One of the most profound comments on religion and politics that I heard during this campaign was John Edwards quoting Lincoln during the primaries: "The question is not whether God is on our side. The question is whether we are on God's side."

        •  In the Catholic tradition, he's now.. unofficial, (none / 0)

          I guess - this is from Catholic.org:

          In 1969, the Church took a long look at all the saints on its calendar to see if there was historical evidence that that saint existed and lived a life of holiness. In taking that long look, the Church discovered that there was little proof that many "saints", including some very popular ones, ever lived. Christopher was one of the names that was determined to have a basis mostly in legend. Therefore Christopher (and others) were dropped from the universal calendar.

          Some saints were considered so legendary that their cult was completely repressed (including St. Ursula). Christopher's cult was not suppressed but it is confined to local calendars (those for a diocese, country, or so forth).

          •  Retroactive decanonization (none / 0)

            Wow, interesting, I had no idea. I don't think people are going to give up on him anytime soon, given the amount of cars I used to see that had St. Christopher medals in them (even if they weren't visible they were usually in the glove box).

            It's also interesting because until very recently France had this rather restrictive rule that kids could only be given saints' names. One of the first court cases that challenged this was a couple who wanted to name their daughter "Megane", I think. Of course, there was also a car called Renault Megane at the time which confused the issue (I actually don't know the end of the story). Anyway, I wonder what the saint purge did to French birth certificates. (Did they burst into flames?) I know plenty of French Christophers born after 1969, so obviously the name was left on the list.

            Plus there is now no official patron saint of travelers. This was really not a time for the church to get technical, I think. Oh well, at least we still have St Jude.

  •  ha (none / 0)

    Nice.

    Im a lapsed Catholic agnostic, but Ill be praying like so much Ralph Reed (only prayin' for Kerry)...y'know, JUST IN CASE Im wrong about the whole God thing!!

    Cant hurt! WHats a little personal hypocrisy in the face of this catastrophic success of an administration?

    Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel. Relentless!

    by ablington on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:27:13 PM PDT

    •  Hey, as Val Kilmar' s character Doc Holliday (none / 0)

      said in Tombstone "My hypocrisy knows no bounds"
      and I'll enroll God and all to get this done! Wood nymphs...pixies...brujas...psychic interference...aliens...big bang...ghostbusters....whatever.

      Lets throw everything we have at the goal of defeating Shrub "Chimpee" McWorthless.  

      "Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen." Mort Sahl

      by maggiemae on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:50:24 PM PDT

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  •  I'll (none / 0)

    pray with you. It's something that you might want to run through the Catholics for Kerry yahoo group too.

    I'm too disgusted right now to think of a sig.

    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:30:01 PM PDT

    •  Can you tell me (none / 0)

      how to join the Catholic for Kerry group?

      I'm also a catholic praying for the success of John Kerry.

      I'm just comfortably numb. . .

      by private5star on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:50:01 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not (none / 0)

        Catholic but I think what you do is go to yahoo groups and find it that way. Or you could go to Johnkerry.com. I think it has a list of yahoo groups for Kerry. I believe Catholics for Kerry is listed there. Also, there is a blog comprised of Catholics supporting Kerry.

        I hope this helps!

        I'm too disgusted right now to think of a sig.

        by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:13:29 PM PDT

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  •  You betcha! (none / 0)

    I love it. I'll start praying fifteen minutes before the debate. I might even join you for a drink after the prayer- I'm sure I'll be jumpier than a virgin at a prison rodeo-even after the prayer.

    Great idea. And for anyone about to trash this idea in your comments, please don't pee on our prayer parade!

  •  two birds with one stone (none / 0)

    I get so apprehensive watching the debates - I think I'll meditade for a 1/2 hour beforehand, sending positive messages to Kerry and chilling out myself. Nationwide prayer is a great idea.  I was considering asking my friend for Xanax to take for election night, but meditation is better.  Or maybe both.

    My mother's an ex-nun.  She prays for him every day.

  •  Start praying... (1.25 / 4)

    We really need to do this because I just read about a new poll from Washington Post and it's not pretty for us.. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1803&u=/washpost/20040928/pl_washpost/a54435_2004s ep27&printer=1
  •  Will do (none / 0)

    "Action is the antidote to despair." --Joan Baez

    by Nancy in Berkeley on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:34:21 PM PDT

  •  I'll pray (none / 0)

    I'll join you in spirit.  I'm not going to watch the debates.  1.  I'll be at our fishing place and only 1 TV with poor reception, and my husband bout had a cat when I watched the convention last time.  2. I probably would not watch it anyway since I get so upset and uptight.

    That said, before it starts I will give a prayer to the powers that be.  And I have already been praying for Kerry to have strength.  Somewhat.  As much as I pray for anything.  And will continue to do so until Thursday.

  •  I may add to the meditation mojo (none / 0)

    but I'll make no promises. I may be avoiding the whole thing by letting myself forget about it until later. I'm a new mother, I can do that easily. Something about the breastfeeding hormones....

    My stomach does better if I tune in after the fact. I don't think even Valium or meditation would do enough to help. But if I do remember, I'll meditate Kerry's way.

    Heck, I'll go ahead at odd times during the next few days, anyway. Couldn't hurt!

    Maybe we should bring this up again just before polls open?

    "...with Liberty and Justice for All."

    by cshardie on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:40:50 PM PDT

  •  Normally... (none / 1)

    Normally, I'd shoot down the science (or lack thereof) in that study, and demand repeatable, double-blind results. But in this case, I don't really care. I'll take Pascal's wager and figure it's not likely to hurt in this case, even if it's just a placebo effect.

    While I am unable to assist in your efforts (as I am without religion), I will give them my official thumbs up.

  •  Count me in (none / 0)

    Do we have a standard prayer this or are we to pray to ourselves?

    I'm in Los Angeles,California that means the debate will start at 6:00 pm (pacific time) so I'll say my prayer 5:55 pm, so that we may be praying right on the same time.

    I'm just comfortably numb. . .

    by private5star on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 07:43:52 PM PDT

  •  I am a rabid agnostic (none / 0)

    But I also adhere to one of Alcoholics Anonymous's most frequent warnings, as printed in an appendix of the groups's eponymous book:

    "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is a proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is comdemnation before investigation."

    -- Herbert Spencer

    Therefore, you may add me to the list of people who will join you at the appointed time -- but is it 7:45 pm Pacific time, Eastern, or what?

  •  Count me in.... (3.66 / 3)

    I pray every day this simple prayer: "Lord, may the truth of this administration continue to be revealed to more of the American people." It seems to be happening so.

    Obama engages my intelligence. Hillary just insults it.

    by Alioth on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:31:22 PM PDT

  •  I'm in! (none / 0)

    Buddhist UU in Houston here.  Mantra for Kerry!  I'll go ahead and commit Mr. Glow Dog to the PrayerFest too.

    So... what are some good ideas for post-prayer debate drinking games?

    Does a cat have Buddha nature? Mew.

    by glow dog on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:36:41 PM PDT

  •  I'm in. (none / 0)

    God keep me ever searching for the truth -- but spare me the company of those who have found it.

    And please turn the light on these cockroaches so that everyone can see them for what they are.

    Blessings on Brother Kerry

    "We fed the heart on fantasy, the heart grew brutal on the fare."
        - William Butler Yeats

    "Everyone is tired of this man...you have to remember he is a member of a social class which has profited from wars." -Doris Lessing on Bush

    by perro amarillo on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:41:22 PM PDT

  •  I'll join (none / 0)

    that would be 7:45 central, right?  I've been praying at Mass every week, and I'll try to pay a visit on Thursday.
    Let me know the logistics.

    60 for the Senate. Obama 08.

    by bornadem on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:41:39 PM PDT

  •  Re: Kerry Is Always In My Prayers (none / 0)

    I'll be praying with all of you before the debate, too. And I already pray every day that Kerry will win the election.
  •  Jewish holiday, so I'll pray all day (none / 0)

    Thursday night at 7:45 is the second night of the holiday of Sukkot.  As part of the observance, I don't watch TV, but I will be sitting out in my sukkah thinking of JFK II and sending some spiritual vibes out to ensure a stellar performance.

    To insure that I'm as "spirit"ual as possible, I'll be sure to take some big hits out of my bottle of 100 proof Czech slivovotz.  Strictly kosher under reliable rabbinical supervision.

    Local Stores, local schools, local work

    by Menachem Mavet on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 08:56:02 PM PDT

  •  Count me in (none / 0)

    Great idea. We can pray for voters to have open minds, too ...

    "There is nothing more stimulating than a case where everything goes against you." S.H.

    by Carnacki on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 09:22:20 PM PDT

  •  Remind everyone Thursday (none / 0)

    I'll pray with you, but just in case people (for example, brain fried me) forget, try to do a diary not long before on Thurs. Also, there will probably be a lot of nervous people on the site pre-debate who would be more than happy to focus their energy on praying at that point.
  •  Heh (none / 0)

    I believe in Thelemic mojo, which is to say, actual action in the form of canvassing and campaign donations. But good luck.
  •  Perhaps (4.00 / 4)

    God will be so surprised to hear from me that he will throw a million votes Kerry's way...:)

    GWB will pry my 22 and 19 year old sons from my cold dead fingers.

    by Momagainstthedraft on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 09:49:46 PM PDT

  •  I have a feeling (none / 0)

    a lot of people around the world will be praying before that debate.

    It all comes down to the 50-state strategy...

    by Katydid on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 09:57:20 PM PDT

  •  prayer (none / 1)

    Grew up Catholic, the whole nine yards, altar boy, nuns, you name it.  Not practicing much these days, but in '92 said a novena for Clinton to win and will be doing the same 9 days before this year's election.  
  •  One of my favorites (4.00 / 2)

    Great Invocation

    The following is The Great Invocation, a world prayer given after the second World War, calling humanity to join The New Group of World Servers, an esoteric group of men and woman working for world peace. It is said to be part two of The Lord's Prayer. All around the globe people link up spiritually through the use of this invocation and it will be the focus of prayer on January 23rd. I have included it here so you may link up also. Do not be deterred by the words "man" and "'Christ." "Man" is Sanskrit for mind and "Christ" is a job description of The One From The Sun Who is Light. The prayer works by understanding that sound creates reality through the use of the vowel sounds A-Ah-E-I-O-U-Y. By sounding The Great Invocation we each form one more light on the grid surrounding planet Earth and we also enter into the work of Service to Humanity.

    The Great Invocation

    From the point of Light within the mind of God
    Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
    Let Light descend to Earth.

    From the point of love within the Heart of God
    Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
    May Christ return to Earth.

    From the center where the Will of God is known
    Let purpose guide the little wills of men. The purpose which the Masters know and serve.

    From the center which we call the race of men
    Let the Plan of Love and Light work out.
    And may it seal the door where evil dwells.

    Let Light, Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.

    from the Tibetan Master Djwhal Khul as written in the Alice Bailey texts and published by Lucis Trust, New York City.

  •  I'm a lapsed (none / 0)

    Protestant/Catholic/agnostic hybrid (don't ask), but I still pray sporadically.

    I'll be in class at 5:45, but I'll try to remember to join my thoughts with yours at the appointed time.

    And then maybe I can join you in the drink later.  I'm not sure if I'll watch the debate or not--I don't know if I can stand it, and my anxiety might send enough bad vibes to undo all the praying.  But if I go out with some friends, I'll be sending all sorts of happy vibes Kerry's way.  Probably a better use of my time.

    We seek not rest but transformation. - Marge Piercy

    by Leslie in CA on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 10:38:05 PM PDT

  •  Baha'i for Kerry here - I'm in. n/t (none / 0)

    Talking about music is like dancing about architecture. ~ Thelonious Monk

    by Roadie on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 10:42:32 PM PDT

  •  Hi Opus! (none / 0)

    Glad you came over!

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 10:53:31 PM PDT

  •  I'll attend (none / 0)

    your mojo virtual gathering.  Thanks for offering an alternative to the nervous breakdown I had been planning.  
  •  i'm in too (none / 0)

    i'm so glad you did this diary, opus. thanks for organizing this. i'm a sort of do-it-yourself jew and i've been praying for John Kerry all summer long. it feels just great  to know my prayers will be joined with so many others before the debate.

    maybe it could continue after the debate until the election. at a set time everyday, those who want to can say a prayer.

    also, for those who ask for angelic intercession... Archangel Gabriel helps in all matters of communication.

    sappy, but i've got to say it.... how cool is it that so many people of so many faiths and belief systems will be praying together for a good man to lead our country out of this mess.

    www.epluribusmedia.org

    by kiw on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 11:44:43 PM PDT

  •  I'm working, but ... (none / 0)

    I'm going to be driving around delivering pizza, but I'll join in best I can with a prayer that we're on God's side here.

    Why am I not suprised that certain elements of the conservative right wing are confused by the definition of "brain dead"? -- CFCinDC at BigSoccer.com

    by Pizza Driver on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 12:01:41 AM PDT

  •  You know what? (none / 1)

    This should be widely publicized.

    I think showing people of faith - strong faith - praying for Kerry would have a great effect.

    I hate to make cynical political calculations out of what is pretty clearly deeply felt religious/faith initiatives, but I think that having you folks pray openly and proudly for Kerry would be an extremely good PR move.

    Feel free to hammer me for being a cynical SOB...

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 12:15:25 AM PDT

    •  Recommend it and maybe someone will see it. (none / 0)

      Perhaps someone in the media will notice if we recommend it. If it's on the top of the recommened diaries list for a few days, then it's possible.

      I'm agnostic myself, but count me in! I have to admit that things often seem to turn out better when I pray about them, so here's hoping our prayers will assure Kerry a victory!

      Democrats -- Progress for the Working Class

      by rogun on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 01:07:07 AM PDT

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  •  I'm in (none / 0)

    I've already committed to giving up smoking when Kerry wins so I may as well pray for it, too.

    I haven't commented on this board for probably a couple of months now, though I still read fairly regularly.  So with this commitment to join your group (most excellent idea) I am giving up the ability to review hidden comments.  Oh well.  It was a nasty chore anyway.

    The chips are down. Find your outrage.

    by sj on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 01:10:44 AM PDT

  •  I'm There (none / 0)

    Will be sending some serious, born-again juice Kerry's way.  Thanks for doing this.  Who says we are the party of the unbelievers?
  •  I'll be there (none / 0)

    This is a wonderful idea!
    Presbyterian/Assembly of God/Friends/ hybrid here, with a love for Mass.  lol

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 03:36:11 AM PDT

  •  Sending more positive energy... (none / 0)

    thanks for doing this... helps keeps my faith focused ... makes it that much harder to be nervous when I am concentrating all my mental and spiritual powers on the positive of Kerry emanating his courage, strength and wisdom.
  •  Count me in :-) (none / 0)

    Good idea Opus.

  •  Wiccans join in? (none / 0)

    I read all the way down to see if there were any other wiccan/pagans signed up. Don't see any so I'll have to start the circle.

    Of course I'm not a very good wiccan, mind you, being entirely self-taught, but what the hell. It's all linked minds and nobody knows how the mechanism works anyway.

    Thanks for making it ecumenical and all.

    Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?

    by Xan on Thu Sep 30, 2004 at 12:46:05 PM PDT

  •  I'm In... (none / 0)

    Best idea I've heard in a while...also, while spinning across the dial last night on my way to watch Jon Stewart on Charlie Rose I ran across the CBN 700 club where they were I believe advocating the end of the Supreme Court..the wrong people have been doing all the praying....or the wrong guy has been answering their prayers ; )

    "Calmer than you are Dude....calmer than you"

    by sula on Thu Sep 30, 2004 at 03:55:41 PM PDT

  •  Cool idea. (none / 0)

    I'll be glad to do this. I think Christianity demands we pray for our enemies, so I will be praying for some hope of peace for the Iraqis, for a peaceful retirement for Bush, and for the people of this country to have more wisdom than their leaders think they have.

    I'm LDS. It looks like we'll be hitting God up from a lot of different angles. Next debate, we should try and make this public. I'm sick of conceding religion to the Right.

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